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A new Linux advocate arises...
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Dave Laird
2005-04-10 23:16:18 UTC
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Good afternoon, Netizens...

I am amused, no make that *fascinated* at the fact I have just brought
another person kicking and screaming from the world of Microsoft into the
world of the Linux workstation desktop. What makes this so fascinating is
that after bringing my considerable collection of Linux distributions to
this person, and laying out before them my entire collection of
Linux-wealth, this person chose, of their own free will, Debian stable.
James, are you following me, now?

This brings to four different people whom I have personally introduced to
the Linux desktop, only two of which had even the slightest inkling about
what Linux is about, and with only one person whom I feel will eventually
drop entirely out of Linux for reasons I will state further on.

This individual has some limited Unix experience, dating back to the 70's
and 80's, but who has no previous experience with Linux. In rapid-fire
order, I introduced him to Mandrake (for its ease of use using KDE), Debian
for its incredible software collection and CentOS for its 100% compatibility
with RedHat in all its various flavors and permutations. He chose Debian,
because of its huge selection of applications and <ack! ack!> he recognized
the name.

One hour later, and this person had Debian running KDE with a full package
of Open Office and as a secondary desktop, Gnome. Ironically, he did most of
the configuration of the network (he is on DSL) by himself, unassisted, and
even knew how to configure the firewall, once he learned the strange syntax
of IPTables, which he had never seen before. When I left, he already had his
wife's Windows XP box using his workstation as a firewalled access to the
Internet, which is pretty good for someone who's been away from Unix such a
long time.

Ah yes, my one problem child in all these success stories about passing the
wealth of Linux around. I have thus converted a 70+ year-old retired farmer,
an 80+ year-old man, a 46 year-old female writer and a 55 year-old
architect, all of whom are running Linux as their primary operating system.
Of the four, the 80+ year-old man has a profound problem with short term
memory loss, one which he refuses to accept nor deal with, and because he
cannot remember even the names of applications for more than two days, I
suspect within the next six months he will probably discontinue using Linux
entirely, not that he has any business using a computer at all until he
overcomes his memory problems.

While I admit a certain fascination with Debian, given its installation
program, I would never have figured to get my first Debian user right out of
the box. I'll eat that crow now, James. 8-)

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Dave Laird
Somewhere in the Flatlands of Washington State
Dave Laird
2005-04-12 10:47:26 UTC
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Good morning, James...
I was, right up until... well, the "stable" version is so old that it has
http://internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3496541
http://ianmurdock.com/archives/000244.html
Debian has a "netinst" CD image for Sarge that they'd rather see handed
out to people. Upgraded just last week. It's only 100 Megs or so, you are
expected to fetch the rest of your new system via network connection.
Barring that, try CD#1 and #2 from the Sarge 15-CD set. But lordy, please
toss out that Woody CD.
I'll see you one better than that, and simply install Sarge after reading
the pair of articles <above>. What I found particularly amusing was that,
since my testing of Debian, they have added *another* 100+ applications to
the Debian list. Don't they EVER know when to quit? <grin>
Post by Dave Laird
One hour later, and this person had Debian running KDE with a full
package of Open Office and as a secondary desktop, Gnome. Ironically, he
did most of the configuration of the network (he is on DSL) by himself,
unassisted, and even knew how to configure the firewall, once he learned
the strange syntax of IPTables, which he had never seen before.
Encourage him to try GuardDog and GuideDog. They will create a set of
rules for iptables in /etc/rc.firewall ..
Without looking to be precise, I believe that is what he used. I remember
it was some configuration tool, not the old-fashioned method at all.
Post by Dave Laird
Of the four, the 80+ year-old man has a profound problem with short term
memory loss, one which he refuses to accept nor deal with, and because he
cannot remember even the names of applications for more than two days, I
suspect within the next six months he will probably discontinue using Linux
My 80+ said to me, "Too bad they didn't have these things 50-60 years
ago. How do I shut it off?" <chuckle>
<SNORT!> Until about the third or fourth time around, my 80 year-old
persisted in simply hitting the OFF switch, complaining bitterly to me
each time that it took so long for the operating system to get started. I
tried unsuccessfully to explain why fsck runs each time a "dirty shutdown"
has occurred, but somehow I doubt if even that found fertile ground. <sigh>

Dave
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