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Strange things in Debian...
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Dave Laird
2004-10-01 16:05:06 UTC
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Good morning, everyone...

It's been at least ten years since I last sat at a computer running CP/M,
and although I haven't mourned the fact I haven't run CP/M in that time,
still I was delighted and amused this morning when I dug out my old
CP/M disks and tried running it beneath Debian. Now you folks might ask
why I would *want* to run CP/M in the first place. The reason is that
long before most of the people reading this message were having close
personal relationships with their computers, I was programming in CP/M
and MP/M, and making a fair living at it.

So when trying to install the latest Debian on a spare workstation, and
suddenly noticing that Debian has utilities that will run CP/M, I knew I
*had* to find my diskettes, if for no other reason than I was curious if it
would run such esoteric items as Wordstar for CP/M (of which I happen to
have a copy) or even the ugly little spreadsheet in which I once spent
many fractured hours.

Once I got started on this little project, however, everything else flew
right
on by me, because once again, I was able to run CP/M and go back
through the years that have passed.

Debian is so "kinky", James. Although it looks and behaves quite similar in
nature to Mandrake, RedHat, Fedora and various other distributions, it
appears to do things that NONE of them can do, at least based upon my
experience during the last few months. What was unique and strange last
night was that while I was dinking around with CP/M in one terminal
window, I also opened a number of MS-DOS files from across the network
in another, all while I was taking notes in a third window using the
Cooledit editor in a konsole window beneath KDE. Now that is KINKY.

Please tell me it isn't my imagination that Debian has faster X execution
than Mandrake. It does seem to be much faster, although perhaps that
might be because I haven't set up my ATI video card for TV reception yet.
That always seems to bog the video interface down quite a bit. What have
you experienced with TV cards, by the way? I vaguely recall that you run
a TV card, but I could be wrong.

While I've been trying various things out in Debian, simultaneously I've
also been building several system configurations using FreeBSD, with a
possible eye to building Kharma's new server. It is either that way,
RedHat's Fedora or <sigh> Debian. However, I have a lot more to learn
about Debian before I consider using it to build a server.

Please describe how Debian is at network security, if you would please. I
see where it runs and loads the IPTABLES structures and all the
components appear to be in the kernel, but what are some of its
vulnerabilities? <sigh> I need to know more...

Dave
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James Vahn
2004-10-02 02:31:59 UTC
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Post by Dave Laird
Please tell me it isn't my imagination that Debian has faster X execution
than Mandrake. It does seem to be much faster, although perhaps that
might be because I haven't set up my ATI video card for TV reception yet.
That always seems to bog the video interface down quite a bit. What have
you experienced with TV cards, by the way? I vaguely recall that you run
a TV card, but I could be wrong.
Ponder this: it's compiled for a 386. They run the X server at a not-so-nice
value of -10 as a default, maybe the others don't. Dunno.

PID USER %MEM %CPU NI TIME COMMAND
20249 root 4.0 0.1 -10 10:47 /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100

What version of Debian are you running?

As to the TV card, it's a TV-Out and I haven't used it at all. I am looking
for a better video card for the other box though. Folks seem down on ATI
lately, something about their most recent cards not having any Linux support.
On the other hand, Nvidia offers non-free (binaries only) support.

Right now I run an ATI Rage 128 AGP w/64 megs aboard, and it's too slow.
I'm an avid Flightgear pilot. :-)
Post by Dave Laird
Please describe how Debian is at network security, if you would please. I
see where it runs and loads the IPTABLES structures and all the
components appear to be in the kernel, but what are some of its
vulnerabilities? <sigh> I need to know more...
I think the only complaint is that they leave a few services open by
default (time, echo, that sort of thing) and rely on inetd for security
(the hosts_access files). For some reason the maintainer (who is also a
past Debian Project Leader-- he's no lackey) apparently thinks that it is
not a problem. After all, it's simply a matter of commenting out a couple
of lines with a text editor. Maybe he looks toward tradition or something.

http://security.debian.org
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch11.en.html#s11.1

The latter can be downloaded "apt-get install harden harden-doc" ...


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